And Friends

[The Shark]

Had to use multiple posts due to picture size:

http://robinlovers.com/discus/messages/6/5736.jpg

Just sittin' around playing my Deluxe and favorite effects.

[BCRGreg]

So where's the Savoy? I thought you'd have it by now.

[Chuck's Guitar Shop]

~~~

Savoy shipped today.

>>>Rest of message Deleted By Smitty<<<

[The Shark]

I think that post tells much more about the author than me. Washing dirty laundry in the street isn't my style. Casting aspersions on my credibility and integrity on this public forum is wrong when considering the facts. The moderators should examine the merits of this, if it's allowed to remain. I've not discussed or trashed the character of anyone on this site. That will remain my practice.

Dave Rauschenberger.

[Kizanski]

Dave could not have been more fair and gracious in his deal with me, even after my rude Martini-fueled emails to him.
I don't know what happened in your deal with him, Chuck, but that's awfully poor form if you asked me (and even if you didn't).

[Smitty]

Gents, I would hope that our group of Robin loving core posters could find a way to remain civil to each other. Damn, let's just try to get along. (No replies necessary, just have a Coke and a smile...)

Smitty

[BCRGreg]

Shut up, Smitty...you bastid.

[bford]

I'm having a root beer and a smile... here's to great Robins....

[Jimbo]

I think Kizanski " a fellow Polack " got it right, here. Just my opinion. Cush

[Jimbo]

Hey Kizanski, Krakow &amp; beyond is where my blood started.... WAY BACK

[Kizanski]

Ok...What is it that you're talking about?

[Jimbo]

Hey Kizanski, if ya didn't catch my drift - don't worry about it. JC

[Chuck's Guitar Shop]

~~~

What a bunch of candy ass bullshit.

Dave Rauschenberger is a piece of shit top to bottom front to back. Look up Turd in the dictionary &amp; there's his photo.

You guys want to deal with him &amp; censor me fine.

Apparently Kizanski had words with the clown too.

I've been 150% straight &amp; have done everyone I've done business with (or otherwise) extremely right.

Put that in your "Politically correct" pipe &amp; smoke it Smitty.

I had already stopped incoming messages from the forum but now I'm outta here. I love my Robin's &amp; I'll always be faithful but you guys suck.

What a stuffy uptight situation you've woven &amp; believe me Rockers are neither uptight or stuffy &amp; the last thing WE ARE is politically correct.

Had Kiz warned me about this asshole to begin with I would not have tried doing business with him ... Thanks kiz... appreciate the head's up.

Wait until he's cursing Greg out over the phone because Dave's Wintz 15 minutes late building him a guitar... Believe me Greg... Dave the dueshbag Rauch ain't worth the money but you'll just have to find out the hard way.

Be like Ron Thorn ... don't be real &amp; take criticism ... let's all be happy drones &amp; kiss lots of ass. That's Rock n Roll?

What a load of crap.

~~~

[The Shark]

To set the record straight again:

Kizanski and I did not have words. We had a smooth transaction w/ no problems. He was actually commenting on his disbelief regarding my offer. I believe his criticism wasn't pointed at me.

Greg is my friend. I don't let business get in the way of friendship. We've discussed myraid subjects unrelated to music on many occasions. I also consulted him with regard to this transaction. I trust his opinion and should have asked for my money back.

I do, however, expect grown men to conduct business as grown men. Don't piss on my shoes and tell me it's rainin'. The following pic was the finale of a deal I'd have rather not done. Would you want a $2,000 guitar shipped to you in a box like this?

http://robinlovers.com/discus/messages/6/5883.jpg
My FedEx guy was astounded. He asked me, if I wanted him to view my opening the box. I told him, "that DEPENDS". Are those for you, Chuck?

You may edit my post Smitty, if you like. I thought this was over. Please leave Chuck's up. Sunshine is the best disinfectant.

[RandyS]

Not my issue, but just my opinion-- things always work out better if peeps avoid name calling, whatever the deal. Good or bad, Be Excellent to each other: We're all playing Robins.

http://robinlovers.com/discus/messages/6/5886.jpg

[DanKashola]

PREVAIL X-LARGE 64's, damn ..............

[BCRGreg]

Wow.

Since I was mentioned by name, I guess I'll speak my piece.

I forsee no problems with DR, he and I get along damn fine without discussing guitars. He has never had me do up a spec for a guitar and then not order it from me. He is respectful of the time that I have at work. He calls, he buys, and then we shoot the breeze about kids and other things that friends talk about. Kiz didn't give you a "heads up" because there is nothing to warn you about, Chuck.



"What a stuffy uptight situation you've woven &amp; believe me Rockers are neither uptight or stuffy &amp; the last thing WE ARE is politically correct. "

That's just funny, there.


Bye.

[SeekerDave]

Wow, now -that's- a Waterloo speech worth keeping.

Dave - was your inclusion of the "inspirational" message in your photo intentional? LOL.

[The Shark]

Actually, no. It wasn't intentional. The caption "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups" might be obscured by the box. I write a political column in my local paper and one of the subscribers bought it for me.

Skydiving is really big in DeLand (just 15 minutes from my home). They have "large groups" come from all over the world to set records here. The guy that owns the largest company sent it to me. I also "jumped" tandem with him last year. And yes, I was scared to death. It's all fun and games until you're at the door, I assure you.

"Waterloo"! That's priceless.

[Jimbo]

Hey, since you guys are talking diapers, and feminine hygeine products, I think it's spelled " douche" bag. Man, I just KNEW that there was something fishy about that grammatical error - kinda sure on that..... Ha-ha !

[The Shark]

"Fishy"? Jimbo...............you are not right. I like that about you.

Thanks for lightening things up, fellas. I appreciate it.

[bford]

At least the guitar should have been protected from any moisture....

Welcome to the board SeekerDave.... not quite as busy as the Hamer board, but an interesting place as you can surmise here.

rock

bford

[Jimbo]

Rausch, yeah, I wasn't trying to carp on this topic or anything............... uh.. jc

[DCWalters]

Rauschenberger, I have only one question for you...are you happy with the Savoy?

This whole thread is a crock of shit, I know Chuck and he is a good guy...Rauschenberger I have never met nor had any dealings with, so I cannot and will not comment.

One of things I have learned in life, things don't always happen the way you want them to or when you want them to...

[Jimbo]

C'mon boys, let's not pile on. Rausch &amp; Chuck evidently made a deal between "themselves" right ? Let those guys handle it. Hey, we had a little fun with it, and now it's time to move along. No offense to anybody here either. Either that, or it's Dimed Marshalls at 20 Paces. Cush

[The Shark]

Mr. Walters:

The "thread" was posted in "Show us your Robin". I was showing off some gear with my Avalon front and center. It became a "crock of shit" when Chuck assailed my character in public. That post was edited. Then, he went after the moderator, warned others not to deal with me, and most importantly railed on the "piece of shit douche bag" (that would be me). That required a bit more agressive response on my part. I tried to introduce humor into a bad situation and attempted to change the subject. I've not brought this on myself as your friend did. I told him privately how I felt and he felt the need to bring his inconsistent character into plain view.

I don't really feel this is an opportunity for people to "buddy-up". If you talked to Chuck, you know how I feel about the guitar. You want to stick up for the guy, that's your prerogative. You should read the thread again. He's a real "nice guy".

No offense intended to you, Darren.

Dave R.

[DCWalters]

Dave

None taken....

I am not going to "buddy-up" unlike others. Chuck is a friend and that is that. I am not taking sides...

I just hate see members go due to something that more than likely could have been avoided with patience and communication.


BTW, my father is Mr. Walters http://robinlovers.com/discus/clipart/happy.gif

[BCRGreg]

So......Do you think it'll rain tonight?

[The Shark]

Darren:

Chuck got rid of Chuck. Nobody asked him to quit. Nobody called him names. Nobody impugned his character. Nobody destroyed his reputation on this forum for him. I'm confident that my reputation is in tact, but I am frustrated. Do you understand? Read the thread. Who else is a "douche bag" on the Robin Forum, Darren? Who else is excrement? Are you following me, Darren? We're all civilized here, right?

I'll say it one more time. I don't want to wash my dirty laundry in the street. I don't want to discuss the specifics of a situation I'd have rather not been involved with to people I don't really know.

You're asking me to be patient and communicate more effectively? I posted some pics on a thread. The rest of the story is due to your friend Chuck's temper, not mine.

I won't comment any further on this thread. I'll let anyone else that cares about it "pipe up". It'll be fun. Just not for me.

[Smitty]

Okay, I'll pipe up.

A couple days ago I logged in to delete this thread and just let it die without comment after the "Waterloo," and the phone rang and I never got back to it ...then I left town for a couple days. Since then, I can tell you that I received a brief yet sincere apology from Chuck, and Chuck apparently removed himself from the user base. So it goes. Gonna rain Greg? Actually it rained like a sumbitch in Fort Worth. You know that scene in Bridget Jones Diary where she's got her back to the street and a bus comes charging through the standing water behind her and drenches her? I saw that happen that afternoon. Gal standing on the median waiting to cross the other half of the street. She put on 8 pounds in 3 seconds. It was awesome. The End.

[BCRGreg]

But more importantly, Smitty.....was she HOT?

[Smitty]

Not after the truck went by...

[BCRGreg]

HAW!

[RandyS]

Yeah, boyeeee... !
http://robinlovers.com/discus/messages/6/5896.jpg

[Kizanski]

Well, the only thing more disturbing than Chuck's apparent combination loose bowel/multi-personality disorder is the knowledge that Smitty saw "Bridget Jones Diary."
Now I feel dirty all over.

[BCRGreg]

Watching it is bad, admitting to it is horrible.

But then.....it's Smitty. We should expect that from the likes of HIM.

[RandyS]

I have to admit I am losing interest -- is it just me or is the Robin forum kinda like a chat room for five guys? Seems a bit inbred for me. Maybe I missed something when I moved to Switzerland...

[BCRGreg]

Everyone is welcome to take part. Most prefer to lurk. Look at any board, less than 10% contribute 80% of the postings. We have a small membership, so it seems to just be a few of us.

[bford]

I think it's six, but most are really cool!.. Well I know I am....

Randy we need you to bring in all of the European posters!

If you need places with lots of posters there www.thegearpage.net (http://www.thegearpage.net) and if you really want to see lots of crazy stuff... www.harmonycentral.com (http://www.harmonycentral.com)


rock

bford

[RandyS]

OK, thanks, I feel better now. I was starting to get in serious danger of having my feeling hurt and all, but with being able to menstruate at my meeting tonight, and your deep outpouring of love, I think it is safe. Thanks for the sites, Bryan. I am curious to look into a new decent practice amp (besides old=good) and will go to check out. And, I don't need lots of posters. Cool. Rock.

[Smitty]

...and yet, i didn't have to explain the scene to any of you.

Smitty

[BCRGreg]

None of us cared.

[Jimbo]

You guys ever see the movie : " Kelly's Heroes " ? I highly recommend it - You Tube it. You won't be dissapointed.

" I Found one, I found one ! " Don Rickles as Crapgame crawling through a minefield ...

" What kind is it ? " Telly Savalas " Big Joe " behind him

Rickles - " The kind that blows up ! - how the hell do I know what kind it is ? !

Go to -You Tube- and watch the trailer.

Kinda like OUR happy family Ha-ha

[BCRGreg]

Rickles = Godlike.

[Jimbo]

Yeah, I dig " Mr. Warmth " a lot.

[Jarold Davis]

Well, shoot, I'm not cool, and I've seen Bridget Jones' Diary, too. Ooof. The family was discussing which movie to watch, and my daughter says "Oooo! Bridget Jones! It's great!"

I said "but the explosion/gunfire to dialog ratio is horrible. Nonexistant, even. It blows!"

A fight broke out.

I'm the one on his back in the mud.

http://robinlovers.com/discus/messages/6/5902.jpg

[BCRGreg]

JD with the WIN!!!!

[Steve Clay]

So my dog gets me up way before dark this morning cause she has to go out. Hell, I'm awake, so I might as well see what's new on the Robin forum. Haven't been able to check in for a few weeks due to my work situation, so I got to read a good chunk of this thread in one sitting.
Definitely worth it.

Smitty - thanks for not deleting the thread yet - it went perfectly with my first cup of coffee today, which is even now still coming out my nose.

Dave - I hope things work out with your Savoy. And thanks for the pic of your Avalon. Great top! Keeps me going as I continue to patiently wait for mine...

Jarold - you definitely get the prize for that pic. Perfect hijack-completion just where it was needed!

Obligatory Robin content - my Seafoam Ranger-Trem still rules! If you haven't played one of these with the new trem, you're cheating yourself. I think it's "twin" (with matching headstock) may still be available from BCRGreg. Totally different animal than the hardtail Ranger. Dave W. &amp; crew definitely built a winner!

Need coffee refill now... peace, guys!

StevieC

[BigDaddyCool]

Hello Fella's

No more fussin &amp; fightin OK?

[BCRGreg]

This from the guy that sends me hate mail while posting "No more fussin &amp; fightin OK?".

Yeah, no more.

[BigDaddyCool]

~~~

Just the facts Ma'am

Wait until I start posting Silvertone's VS. Old Tweed's ...

Your Fender Tweeds can't hold a candle to my Silvertone or my Magnatone. Just because it says "Fender" doesn't make it great.

I know ... I owned #00128 (5E3 Deluxe) &amp; #00074 (Harvard) for nearly 35 years... I sold them after getting my Silvertone together. Holy Moses ...

By the way here's my new band.

http://crawlersblues.com/

Have I mentioned lately that I have been a Robin Guitars Fan for almost 20 years?

God Bless this mess.

http://robinlovers.com/discus/clipart/happy.gif

~~~

[BigDaddyCool]

~~~

I am sorry this whole thing got so out of hand guys.

I am neither multi personality nor hateful but straight &amp; to the point which is apparently offensive to some people. (Truth hurts sometimes eh fella's?)

I had bad experiences with two forum members ...
Greg P. &amp; Dave R.

I know of a Robin dealer who is professional, knowledgible, &amp; prompt.

If you want to upgrade your "Robin Guitars" buying experience please contact me for details.

I have left the "perfect" Robin dealer unmentioned for fear of backlash ... which is unfortunate.

These are indeed shark infested waters &amp; no ... I won't allow myself to get beat up. Deal with it.

There are some great guys here on the forum &amp; Dave Wintz's guitars are in my opinion second to none.

I'm solid as a rock &amp; I'm not going anyplace.

~~~

[Kizanski]

http://robinlovers.com/discus/messages/6/5924.jpg

[BigDaddyCool]

~~~

Nubile aren't I ?

http://robinlovers.com/discus/clipart/happy.gif

~~~

[Jimbo]

Chuck, let's get it out in the open - Quit hidin' behind your new name.

DON'T BE AFRAID TO SWIM , THE WATER'S FINE -

[Jimbo]

C'mon Kizanski, couldn't ya at least put up a pic of Roy Scheider, or .. maybe even "Banacek" ? Ha-ha

[Kizanski]

I'm confused. Which one is "solid as a rock"?
They all look pretty soft and cushy to me.

http://robinlovers.com/discus/messages/6/5927.jpg

[Ken Jones]

http://robinlovers.com/discus/messages/6/5931.jpg

[BCRGreg]

Who don't we see in the band pic above?

http://robinlovers.com/discus/messages/6/5933.jpg

[The Shark]

In front, Greg. Nice blouse, Chuck. Welcome back.

[DCWalters]

All three of you need to knock this shit off...for christ's sake this is getting old real friggin' fast.

This forum is getting more arrogant by the day...the only thing going on is the constant pissing and moaning which could be turning away new members. I know if I were "lurking" around here with the thought of joining I would have second thoughts because of this garbage...grow some balls and leave the petty arguing to the Jackson forum!

[Ken Jones]

Aw c'mon Darren... this is the most fun we've had here in a long time!

[The Shark]

I guess Big Daddy Cool's first few messages weren't pointed directly at me and another guy that doesn't deserve it. We need to knock it off, Darren? Talk to your friend. He just said Greg wasn't "professional, knowledgible(doh), and prompt". Let's not mince words. This guy has taken liberties. He copied e-mails to Dave W. for God's sake. If he wanted everything to be o-kay and come back to the forum, who was stopping him? But he had to do this. It's BS. No apologies here.

[BCRGreg]

The shipping box tells the story.

The behind the scenes bullshit and incredibly delusional email(that I will not publish) that Dave Wintz was given on his BIRTHDAY by our duplicitous friend are the real issue.

Deleting your own account and then coming back as somebody else( and saying you are in a band that you are not in) show the character here.

[DCWalters]

I am serious Ken! I just resigned from a very good paying job Friday because of this type of crap...

My tolerance for this kinda crap has left the building, life is too short...

I am not saying the actions of anyone are right DaveR, I am not taking sides, ANYBODYS.

This has just gotten out of hand and it needs to end...

Do you guys realize how bad this looks or how bad it makes all of you look?

C'mon, we do not have to be like bunch of peace lovin' hippies, but at least we can keep the personal attacks to a minimum.

[BigDaddyCool]

First off Happy Birthday Dave Wintz.

But Jeez..

You guys are something...

I joined that band about a month ago playing bass. The bass player who is in the band photo was basically a hired gun. Great bunch of guys by the way. They gave me a song list initially of 160 tunes. Holy Smoke! Now they narrowed it down to 101 ... It's a great band &amp; I'm honored to be hanging out with them. Thanks for posting the photo. It's a great plug.

As for me ... I wasn't hiding behind a new screen name. Greg called it in his first response &amp; all you have to do is look at the email address attached. I wasn't going to just take this kind of nonsense so I had to come back.

Bottom line ... It's all over with guys. Dave R. got a great guitar for a great price in a timely fashion. Had he not busted my stones so hard I would have found a different box. I have never been acosted like that over a guitar sale &amp; for sure I have sold many many guitars. What he failed to mention is that the box was very strong &amp; filled with bubble wrap. My wife is a nurse so that's where the boxes came from. Had he lightened up &amp; given me any space to breath I would have located a better box but I knew 100% that the guitar would arrive just fine as packed.

There is no behind the scenes bullshit with me. This is truly amazing. Greg ... You took 90 days to get me a quote &amp; it wasn't even a custom build ... it was a Black Savoy Standard with a Bigsby &amp; two hummers ... After you took your good old time getting me a quote (acting as if I was a pain in the ass) you tried to railroad me into buying the guitar. I have news for you... by the time you got off your keister I had already bought 3 others.

I'm not the only guy in town who doesn't care for your crass behavior &amp; I like several others have taken my business elsewhere so I could have a more relaxed experience getting my dream guitars built.

Can we get on with our lives now?

Dave R. has a GREAT guitar sold at a great price that was delivered as promised in a reasonable amount of time.

Am I wrong?

I wish you the best of luck with the guitar Dave.
It was custom built for me &amp; I hope you get some enjoyment out of it.

I'm not upset anymore &amp; I hope we can let this whole thing go.

~~~

[BigDaddyCool]

~~~

The reunion was a blast by the way. Greg actually turned out to be a human being by the time it was over.
Took him all weekend to get down off his horse. heh heh

That photo was Greg &amp; I in Houston Airport.

Wish we could have done it this year ...
I was planning my whole vacation around it.

~~~

[BCRGreg]

Chuck, you really need to think about what you are saying. Your grasp of what really happened is not accurate.

You brought up Ron Thorn, let's revisit that little adventure....

http://robinlovers.com/discus/messages/5/5400.html

Give it up, Chuck.

I'm done with this guy. My track record stands, anyone that wants to know about me or my character, call Robin Guitars, don't take this guy's word.

[BigDaddyCool]

~~~

Greg you &amp; I disagree.

I can live with that. I understand your frustration because you make your living at this &amp; I don't.

I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors.

Just lighten up a little will ya?
http://robinlovers.com/discus/clipart/happy.gif

Ron Thorn &amp; I had some issues which have been resolved between us. I mentioned him because some of his fans will railroad anyone who questions anything about him.

His guitars are very cool &amp; he was going through some hard times with his father going to the hospital during my build. He pushed my build time out farther than I was willing to wait which understandibly upset him.

Ron's not a bad guy &amp; again I wish things would have turned out differently between us but his life pressures collided with my life's pressures &amp; we did not complete a deal at my expense.

I should be happy about that?

I'm never unreasonable. Never.

&amp; what's with you Cush? I've resized your photo's almost on command.
All I've ever done is help you &amp; also try to set you straight about the build time &amp; quality of your up &amp; comming Avalon.
Why would you take stabs at me?
You on Greg's payroll?

Yo Kiz... what's the deal? No Life so you need to take jabs at mine?

Holy mackeral this is like the loosers den.

~~~

[BigDaddyCool]

~~~

This whole thing has actually tickled me.

I wish we could have had the reunion.

A few cold one's along with a couple all nighters &amp; we'd all be sentimental fools about now.

Great guitars aren't they?
http://robinlovers.com/discus/clipart/happy.gif

~~~

[John Dubeski]

Got Lithium?

[Kizanski]

"Yo Kiz... what's the deal? No Life so you need to take jabs at mine?"

Hey poopie-pants, I can't tell you how happy I am that you're in a band. What happened? The original lineup of The Limekiln Crawlers Blues Band was not annoying enough so they recruited you to play bass? I guess John "Bowzer" Bowman wasn't available.

Please, keep posting and posting and answering your own posts and then ask me who it is that needs to get a life. All kinds of totally normal people do that all of the time and I'm sure you can keep yourself entertained for days that way. I know I'm getting a kick out of it.

[RandyS]

Good lord! You peeps must really love each other. "Got Lithium?" Ha ha ha ha!

http://robinlovers.com/discus/messages/6/5941.jpg

Other subject: Roughly how far should an Avalon PU be from the strings? What do you lose with distance?
Randy

[Dave Wintz]

Guys.......please.........

I believe.....that if I was getting more guitars out to you folks, we would have other things to talk about! Much better things....guitars!!!!!!!!

Believe me...I hate reading this stuff. In my own way I feel responsible.....sort of.....

Let this be the last post on this thread..please

You know I don't need any distractions...just time to build.......

Dave

PS Thanks for the b-day greetings!!!!!!

[Sir Douglas R Woodruff Sr.]

I like beans

[BCRGreg]

Ah, memories.

[DanKashola]

OBAMA !!! yeah baby ... yeah ..............